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What if the key to fixing your sex life wasn’t more talking… but smarter tech?

Whether you’re dealing with a dead bedroom, long-distance disconnect, or just feeling stuck in a sexual rut, today’s episode is all about the new generation of smart sex toys designed to help couples reconnect in ways that actually work.

I’m joined by Toon Timmermans, CEO and founder of Kiiroo, the company behind the groundbreaking Luxus — an interactive couples toy built to close the pleasure gap, boost intimacy, and make communication in the bedroom easier (and hotter).

We’re diving into:
 ✨ How smart sex toys are changing intimacy for real couples
 💬 Why these tools help partners communicate better in bed
 🔥 How to use technology to reignite desire and close the orgasm gap
 💻 How smart toys are helping couples rebuild connection after long distance or infidelity

This isn’t about replacing your partner — it’s about giving couples new ways to feel closer, stay connected, and bring the spark back.

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SPEAKER_00:

I'm Annette Benedetti, host of the podcast formerly known as Locker Room Talk and Shots. The show has a new name, Talk Sex with Annette. But at its core, this is still your locker room. It's where we strip away shame, get curious, and speak the unspoken about sex, kink, dating, pleasure, and desire. Around here, nothing's off limits. These are the kinds of conversations we save for our boldest group chats, our most trusted friends, and of course, the women's locker room. Think raw, honest, and sometimes unapologetically raunchy. If you've been here from the beginning, thank you. And if you're new, welcome to my podcast where desire meets disruption and pleasure becomes power. Now, let's talk about sex. Cheers. Right low. Today's Talk Sex with Annette topic is how smart sex toys are rewiring your pleasure and saving relationships. What if your vibrator could help you save your relationship? What if the key to fixing dead bedroom syndrome, long-distance disconnect, or even rebuilding after infidelity wasn't just therapy, but also technology. Today on Talk Sex within Net, we're getting into the real reason smart sex toys are taking off. And it's not just about novelty or better orgasms, although I love those. It's about how they are helping real people reconnect, heal, and rewrite the story of what intimacy looks like in a digital world. My guest is Toon Timmerman, CEO and founder of Kiro and Phil Robotics, pioneers in the world of interactive intimacy. Toon didn't start an interactive intimacy. He, in fact, was chasing a soccer career and building sports-based tech companies before founding one of the fastest growing intimacy tech platforms in the world. He's a TEDx speaker, award-winning entrepreneur, and someone who's been answering the same question I'm asking today. Can a smart sex toy do more than just get you off? Can it save your relationship? And we are going to find out, but first, I want to remind you, I'm over on OnlyFans where I'm sharing my sex and intimacy how-tos, audio guided self-pleasure, meditations, and so much more. All in an effort to help you start having better sex and more pleasure tonight. You can also find me on Substack doing the same. And you can find me in both places under my handle at TalkSex with Annette. You can also scroll down to the notes in this episode, and you're going to find links to everywhere you could possibly want to find me below. But for now, Toon, can you tell my listeners just a little bit more about you?

SPEAKER_01:

Thanks for the introduction, Annette. Yeah, so I'm Tone. I'm from Amsterdam. And like you said, I didn't foresee myself as a sex tech entrepreneur. I tried to become a soccer player, and when I wasn't good enough, I thought, okay, I want to be the next Jared McGuire. Right? But anyway, so then I thought, okay, working for a boss was not really for me. So I just started being an entrepreneur. I did all kinds of things, and in the end, like everybody we all end up at in the sex industry.

SPEAKER_00:

It's such a great place to be. I think that the wonderful thing about this particular interview and what you're doing is it's going to be, it's going to apply to everyone. Look, sex is part of everybody, for the most part, hopefully, everybody's life, whether it's how you came into the world or how you are having a fulfilling connection with somebody you love, right? It's key to your happiness and your whole health. I've talked about that over and over again on this podcast. And many of us are struggling in relationships. Obviously, I'm coaching a lot of people, a lot of couples who are struggling in their relationships. And today, for those of you who are either in a relationship or trying to start off a healthy relationship, you're going to learn about just another tool that can either help you get your sexual and intimate relationship back on track, or will help you launch into your next relationship with a tool or tools, because I like to have many tools to keep it on track so you can have fulfilling intimacy, sex, and pleasure with your partner throughout your lifetime. And so we are going to be talking about that. I want you to stay to the end because, of course, as always, I'm going to give you some takeaways. Meaning, if you are struggling in your relationship right now or you're wanting to start a relationship on the right foot with the right tools, you're going to have some ideas for how you can start doing that tonight. So I am ready. I'm ready to hear about the technology and how it can help save some relationships that might need a little saving in the bedroom. So thank you for joining me and let's talk about sex tech and saving relationships. Cheers.

SPEAKER_01:

Cheers.

SPEAKER_00:

My listeners hear me talk about sex toys all the time because I like them. I use them a lot on myself all the time. But what differentiates a smart sex tech toy from your just average vibrator?

SPEAKER_01:

I think what what it differentiates is that it uh it's it's interactive. So it can be interactive that, for example, a toy reacts to another toy, or that in matter of the new device we recently launched, the two parts react to each other. So initially, we tried to bring the world closer together. We see that people are living apart, it's hard to connect. A lot of couples have issues in communication. I think sex is extremely important to communicate. Obviously, while living apart, and we try to create technology which brings people closer together. That said, obviously, there's also their communication boundaries also in the bedroom. So, not per se over distance, but also in the bedroom itself. And therefore, we try to create technology again and to use our existing technology to also help them to communicate better in the bedroom. And therefore, we have looked at toys and technologies which are already there and extremely popular, like the C-shape devices for couples. And what we saw is that there are a few issues which we believed we could resolve with our technology.

SPEAKER_00:

What were the issues that you felt you could resolve? And how does the smart sex tech help with communication in the bedroom?

SPEAKER_01:

So the two main issues we figured was that the purpose of the C-shape is to close the orgasm gap, but stimulating the guy at the same time normally doesn't really help to close an orgasm gap. So that was obviously a big issue, in our opinion. Plus, for a lot of what women it's also a lot to take in the toy and the guy at the same time. So we thought if we can resolve that, if we can make it that you don't need to take a toy and a guy in for the woman, and that you don't stimulate the guy but literally bring people closer together by creating a toy which does that, helps, in our opinion, closing the orgasmic gap much more than a C-shape.

SPEAKER_00:

So can you explain the C-shape toy? I don't know if you have a visual here of a C-shaped toy.

SPEAKER_01:

A C-shaped toy that combines internal and external stimulation. So there's the vibration for the clitoris and the vibration for the G-spot. So the part of the G-spot, obviously the guy, goes with it. So that vibrator stimulates the guy as well. And that's what we wanted to resolve. Like if we can create a device what doesn't have this part, just a very tiny glit stim. Because we also didn't want it to be disrupt, let's say, the moment, or that it's in the way, it should hardly be there. So we we created extremely tiny glit stim, which you can use in several ways. There's an adhesive sticker, there's a harness, or there's a handheld. So they're all kind of different ways, whatever you prefer. And then at the same time, there's a very tiny ring for the guy. And the toy has a proximity sensor, which is technology which also been used in cars, it recognizes distance. So what we did is we we used that to let the toys talk to each other. So the moment when you get closer, or when the first thing when the speed goes up, with all these movements, you can obviously let the female device interact on that. And what we did is we created an application where you can create your personal settings, so you can completely customize it to your personal preferences. For example, if you prefer that the vibration increases up to 40% of the max when the thrusting goes faster, or if you want to increase the intensity when the thrusting just goes deeper, so you can completely personalize it and save it on the device. So it's been saved on the firmware. So you do don't need to do it constantly every time you're using it. You personalize the device, which is also quite unique. I don't think you even know a toy where you can completely personalize the the firmware and the behavior of the toy and then save it. So you don't need to do that over and over again. The interesting part is that the guy feels quite because by the movement, he sees instantly, obviously, very reaction from his partner.

SPEAKER_00:

He sees her half pleasure. He sees her half pleasure. It sounds like before the toys, and I have tried several toys where it's C-shape, meaning there is that for my listeners, there's the arm that goes inside of the vaginal opening and the outside arm, which rests on the clit and vibrates there. And then, of course, you can use them while your partner enters you, but it's also going to give your partner stimulation. Now, this new toy that Kiro put out actually has a male part and a female part that speak to each other, meaning that whether it's speed or depth or proximity, there are there are several different settings. One will set the other one off, meaning the ring is going to make the glit vibe start to vibe. I like that you bring in, though, that the sex tech allows the guy to see when the woman is becoming aroused, like what movement he's doing that's turning her on. Because I do think in the bedroom, communication is a huge problem. When it comes to coaching, the biggest problem that all of my clients have is communication. And I have been shocked sometimes at how partners who have been together for decades have not talked about sex in the bedroom. They don't talk about it at all. I'm like, oh weird, right?

SPEAKER_01:

It's super weird.

SPEAKER_00:

It's it, but it's not weird. It's calm. That's a thing, is for you and I, it's a little bit strange, but it's so common how many people don't talk to the people they're having sex with about sex. So this is a great way to start conversation through our bodies and reaction. And now at least he can see what he's doing that's working. So he can keep doing that more, right? Because you're gonna notice when she, you know, that that vibe hits and she perks right up. I know that when I'm with a partner who's a either a man or has a penis, and the minute I put a little something on my clit, when they're inside me, like I instantly like sounds like the way I move changes, and they're like, oh yeah, oh yeah, she's in a good spot, right? Yeah. But I also verbalize it and say lots of stuff. So, in a way, do you do you see this technology as helping couples communicate better? Like, can this branch from the physical into the verbal to help create that and more of that intimate connection that is needed?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, what we did is we wanted to back up our findings, obviously. So we together with LaShore, the Canadian Research Institute, we uh we did a big research. So we have sent the device before we launched to 100 couples, and they tried and they did a very in-depth long survey, and the results were phenomenal. So it's like 90% of the of the couples really liked it, and it helped them actually also to communicate in the bedroom. And that's I think what is already a big step. If besides that the device should be pleasurable, obviously, and fun as well at the same time, it also can be obviously fun, it also helped the communication.

SPEAKER_00:

But did couples share why it helped with the communication the yes, they did.

SPEAKER_01:

They were quite open about it. And also, we took also their findings, obviously, and advice how to improve it again. And it's uh the first version, obviously, and so there's already like ideas how to make it better, which we will.

SPEAKER_00:

And the name of this device that you created?

SPEAKER_01:

So it's called the Luxus.

SPEAKER_00:

The Luxus, yes. I have a Luxus that I am in the process of reviewing for you. So that review is going to be soon at probably around the same time this is.

SPEAKER_01:

That's exciting. Yeah, so we have the lux her part and the luxe him part and luxe us.

SPEAKER_00:

This is one smart sex tech device, but you have created many. This seems to be a device that's helping with communication in the bedroom. Now, it's from my experience with it and from talking to you and your findings. Obviously, what shuts down communication in the bedroom is when people are disappointed because nobody as a woman wants to turn to your partner and say, Wow, I didn't enjoy that. I didn't get an orgasm. It's very difficult. A lot of women fake orgasms. I have been known to fake a lot in the past, but oftentimes we just stop kind of talking about it because it's easy to get defensive if you're the person receiving the negative feedback. But when the feedback is positive, meaning you've got this sex tech toy that's helping, then it's going to be a lot easier to say that felt really good. I loved it when you were going that speed or whatever. And I could see how that would help open up communication, move it from the I didn't come to that felt good.

SPEAKER_01:

I hope I I hope people will say that felt good.

SPEAKER_00:

That felt good. Well, yes, definitely. Add that little clip vibe on, and you've made several different ways that it can be on the body so the woman can choose like how to have the vibration on her because it's always very personal, right? Yeah, we all have our own preferences and and our preferences tend to expand when pleasure is added, right? Like if something feels pleasurable, then you're like, oh, I'm gonna try it this way too. More pleasure, please. But you also have devices, sex tech is helping bridge, as you mentioned in the beginning, long distance relationships. And we know that some relationships I've been in so many long distance relationships, and those relationships need help. But even in your standard, if you will, relationships, there are times when people are traveling and apart. Or disabled people, or disabled people.

SPEAKER_01:

So the way we see it, and we started 15 years ago. What was very common for people is obviously I think internet and over distance is two-dimensional. So we can see each other and we can hear each other, but we can't feel each other. And what we try to do is to come up with technology which help to add that third dimension to the internet so that you and I could feel each other through a device, but still what I do without a delay, you would feel, and and that's the biggest challenge because to bridge that gap between Amsterdam and I think it's the West Coast you're currently in.

SPEAKER_00:

No, I'm on the East Coast right now.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, sorry, East Coast. Okay, sorry. So to bridge that gap, that's a lot of kilometers or miles to to be bridged. So to to bridge that without a without even like 200 milliseconds delay. That's and that's what we what drives us. Like what can we think of and what kind of devices can we create to add that third dimension to the internet.

SPEAKER_00:

And so the devices you created have a piece for the man, yeah, or the person with a penis that goes over. It's like uh it's like a pussy, if you will.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, or an interactive masturbator. We have all kinds of interactive meal devices for the penis. So it's it can add suction, it can add vibration, or it can add completely full stroking. And that's also what we did is we we made it modular. So it can all work together. So all those three different sensations you can even control individually or together.

SPEAKER_00:

So the partner on the other side of the world can control that.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, and it can also, it's completely uh you can mix and match. So it's male, female, male, it doesn't matter. So it obviously depends on the features of the device, what you can do with it. Some device so there's a female device with a touch sensitive sensor in it, which means this is the same kind of technology as on the smartphone, so it measures depth and speed, right? So when she is using that device, she can send that signal to the male device, and the male interactive male masturbator can be controlled and go up and down. But at the same time, he can send out a signal and controls the intensity of the vibration. So it there are all kinds of options, but if she wants to give him, for example, his suction, so she can basically control the suction of the masturbator.

SPEAKER_00:

She has a device that she can use on herself.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

You are having sex, except and you're both controlling what happens to the other person or syncing it up together, but you can't be together, so you're doing it with the devices. That's hot.

SPEAKER_01:

It is like phone sex three pence zero, right?

SPEAKER_00:

They go way better than phone sex. That's incredible. I've got to put that on my bucket list because I've not I've never done that. I've never done this, believe it or not. I've never done this. It's safe sex. No condoms are needed, no stress afterwards. You don't, yeah. That's not bad. Not bad, not a bad deal. Yeah. But then you brought up also that this can help people with disabilities. Can you talk about that a little bit?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, because obviously it's it can be hands-free, uh, for example, for a guy. We have all kind of uh we've all kind of accessories, obviously, as well. So it can help obviously, it depends about the the disability you have. But I've received emails from customers where it literally changed their lives. And and that's obviously very satisfying to uh to hear if you really can help people.

SPEAKER_00:

And I would imagine even in situations where someone might be paralyzed from the waist down and not able to physically have sex in a traditional way. This would be another way to like please your partner.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, because if they still can have an direction, then you know, then they they can exactly. And so in in that way, it's she can literally give him a blowjob, a hand job, or having sex, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

From wherever she's at, from wherever she's at. But I like that it also is brought into the bedroom. Like these toys aren't just for when you're separated, although it would be fun. Like you could like have afternoon sex from work this way too, spice it up a little bit. I like that. I like that. But they also come into the bedroom when you're together. We know from your survey that has improved intimacy. It's closed the orgasm gap in relationships. And I would say the orgasm gap is probably one of the top reasons people become dissatisfied with sex in their relationships. I think that women struggle more than men to have orgasms, and sex starts to feel like work. Sex starts to feel like work, and when it feels like work, you're going to want to do it less often if the payoff doesn't seem like it's potentially going to be worth it. But I am curious about this. There are a lot of people, and I'm going to say that especially men who struggle with the idea of so much technology coming into the bedroom. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that concern that technology is taking over the bedroom too much.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Maybe the uh they feel that it will replace the guy, or which is obviously not the case. It doesn't replace you. And that's what we have seen with actually with the Luxus, is that it actually empowers the guy because now his penis is controlling her device. So it actually gives him more power. But yeah, no, you heard the same, but what we saw in the survey is that uh from the couples at least they who tested the device, it didn't scare the guy off, it empowered him actually.

SPEAKER_00:

It made him feel like more successful. There's definitely a kinky aspect to it too. You could turn that into some kinky fun. There is a power play opportunity there for couples who want to experience that. Have any of the people who have used the product or participated in the research share some did they share some s stories that surprised you? Ways in which the product enhanced their life or affected their sex life.

SPEAKER_01:

Well they felt reconnection, which I think is extremely important. For me, the most important thing was that it that the device kept this promise. And and to be honest, that was because we have put so much research into this and years of development, because we really believe that after so many years there was so I was fascinated by the thing that that the C shape has been invented by WeVib, and the entire industry copied it. And for like I think almost 17 years now, it was only copying the same shape, different color, extra motor, one motor, two motors, but it's never been reinvented. And when we started this project, oh yeah, you can imagine how keen we were to, but it still needed to be a better version of 17 years ago, right? Of the C shape. And to be honest, when I saw that such a huge percentage of our test audience really enjoyed it, I well that was a big relief for me.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, we bet, I bet. And it is a different technology using the proximities sensors. A lot of smart tech has really just been used to connect over the internet and through Bluetooth from a distance. And this device is used to connect in the bedroom, which is where a lot of struggle happens with partners just connecting in the bedroom and getting in the mood and maintaining the mood, much less building to orgasm.

SPEAKER_01:

And also you can use the setup of the device definitely the first time, also a little bit in foreplay. So it's because I think that's also what scares people off. Like, oh, but then it disrupt the moment, or but in the end, it's about how you deal with it. If you use it as foreplay, if you use to try it out, hey, what happens? This, hey, if I do this, hey, so obviously you don't need to go full on. You can laugh about it. When I was with my partner, when we were testing the device in prototypes, it wasn't were not the production samples, they were prototypes, and also the app wasn't prototype at that moment. So it was it was struggling, obviously, the first time. Like, hey, how hey, how does this work? And now she asked me, like, hey, how is you should know? I was oh no, I don't know, I don't know how it'll work the team event. Like, I don't know what the tech guys did, but in the end, you use that also as yeah, as foreplay. And I think that's also what people can because the first time, yeah, you need to set it up a little bit. You need to, hey, you the guys like me don't read manuals, so that's not helpful in this matter. So my my my wife is reading the manual, anyway.

SPEAKER_00:

No, I mean, I think that's a good point. I think that also bringing toys into the bedroom helps with what sex is supposed to be for couples. It's supposed to be playful and fun and sometimes funny and sometimes hilarious, right? And that's part of building up the foreplay and getting into the mood when you can laugh together and explore together. And I think that then also removes some of the work aspect of it that oftentimes people feel like they don't want to get into sex because they're like, okay, I'm gonna have to get in the mood, and then I'm gonna have to get him hard, and then I'm gonna have to like get back, you know what I mean? And it should be this playful experience that builds together. But that's what's fun about bringing toys into the bedroom, is it takes it from this just like crawl on top of each other and like hump to this full experience, right?

SPEAKER_01:

I agree, I agree, fully agree. Yeah, and there are so many toys and so many sensations, and not only for a lot of couples, and they still believe that it's only for her, but it's more and more for him as well. Yes, for over the distance, but definitely also for in in in the same bedroom.

SPEAKER_00:

One of the questions I was gonna ask you is like, how could this kind of technology help couples who have been separated, who have had infidelities because of dissatisfaction, reconnect and save their relationship?

SPEAKER_01:

I think it's also the play, the playful part, and and that what she does, he feels, or what she does, he feel, or like so it's the and yeah, and that's obviously still for a lot of people very new. And sometimes it's also more it feels more secure for people if they don't if they are not in the same room, they feel more comfortable or explore and exploring or showing what or telling the other, telling your partner what they like or dislike or different they want something different.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I think it's it gives an opportunity to like talk about what each person is feeling and why it felt good and what made it feel good. And I think that's again going back to the beginning of this conversation where we said couples don't talk about sex, they don't even talk about that most basic thing, what felt good, how it felt, why it felt good, so that they can repeat that again and again. And this kind of technology gives the opportunity for conversation around what it's doing and why it feels good, and why it's feels good.

SPEAKER_01:

What they and like like you just said, like why do they like it and why or why not? To bring that communication back into the bedroom is so important.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, and don't you think that people find it easier to talk about what the toy is doing that feels good rather than what your partner's dick is doing or what your vagina is doing? We are so uncomfortable for good reason, the way many of us have been socialized with talking about bodies and how bodies feel. So maybe a first step to that is talking about the device and what about it feels good, and then eventually moving into our own bodies once we gain that confidence.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it's a stepping stone of sorts.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. This kind of technology not only bridges distances physical, but it can bridge distances within an emotional relationship, where it's been hard being intimate and sharing that kind of information with one another. It can also teach us how to communicate with each other. So I'm curious now as we wrap this up, where do you see the future of this kind of technology taking the bedroom experience for folks?

SPEAKER_01:

I think sometimes it even feels although it's I started 15 years ago and 10 10 years. No, yes, almost 15 years, and 10 years ago we launched our first product. It feels like an ages and a roller coaster, but at the same time it it feels like we're just getting started. And now with the technology is moving so fast, now AI comes is there as well, and we're using that. We're started, for example, it's a completely different story. But we started already in 2017 to uh working on AI and to see how how we could recognize sexual activity on screen and translate that into a signal to a device. Yeah, so we uh we launched that two years ago, and the the AI is getting obviously more precise. So it's so for me it feels that we're still like getting started, what's what's possible, and we haven't hit the boundaries yet. We're and I think we're still we're learning and improving and how to use the technology in in a better way, and adding sensations to the devices, and yeah, it I think it's super exciting, also for the upcoming coming 10 years.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, we're just gonna be having better and better sex, and we are gonna have more tools for it. I'm like a big believer in adding tools to the bedroom to keep things interesting, especially for long-term relationships, right?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, exactly. For example, if you want to send an interesting video to your partner and your partner is not in the same time zone, and that video has a has a fun script in it, so it and it controls the toy of your partner at that point.

SPEAKER_00:

So an interesting video, is that what you called it? Oh, that's sweet. Interesting, I like that. And then the video has a script that tells the toy what to do, what to do, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01:

And that's so in the beginning we were like putting the technology into the toy so that the toy was basically creating that script, but now and we're we can do it way better because we don't need that the toy doesn't need to create that script anymore because the AI is literally like reading what happens and creates that signal for the toy.

SPEAKER_00:

It's an interactive video.

SPEAKER_01:

It's an interactive video, yeah. Yeah, and but back in the days or 10 years ago, we were literally like I had a team in Vietnam creating that script, writing that code, telling the toy to go up or down or up or down or stop when it needed to stop or start when it and in it that was in 2015, and we were like, this is not gonna be sustainable, like so. We need to come up with different technology. Yeah. So our knowledge goes obviously quite deep and quite broad. What's we have all kinds of projects where we work on not only for couples in the bedroom but also for other areas. Single, single folks, single folks or for performers, male or female, wants to connect to audio scripts or to video or yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

All kinds of great again. I work with people every day who are truly like struggling in their relationships or even in their own ability to orgasm and experience pleasure. And I have found that toys, the right toy, is key to helping people even just reconnect with their own pleasure and then be able to take the knowledge of how to access their own pleasure to their partner and have fulfilling sex life. And the smart tech that is coming to toys is kind of crazy and really improving people's lives and in some ways that I hadn't even thought of.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

My question to you for my listeners is what would you suggest to them if any of them at this point in time are struggling within their relationship? A, obviously long, but there's some sort of distance or disconnect in their intimate relationship. Can you give them just some takeaways from this conversation, things they could start doing right now to reconnect using the smart tech?

SPEAKER_01:

I would buy an interactive toy and start the conversation with your partner or surprise your partner and spice it up a bit. If you prefer in the bedroom, you buy a luxus. If you don't know, if you're if you are in a long distance relationship or you prefer not to be together and try something out, buy another key or interactive toy. And uh I would definitely just try it. What what what can happen? What's the worst? What's what's the downside or the upside, right? The downside is that you have a conversation with your partner, like I'm not so into it. The upside is that you might spice up your life a bit, and in the end, get closer together again and start the conversation. And maybe you start talking about this, but in the end you you end up here, which is also fine.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Well, and the cool thing about these interactive toys is it's not just for her. It's not just about her body or about the vulva or the clitoris, it's not just about the penis, it's about both people and pleasuring both people and interacting, right? This isn't just a just for her. And I think oftentimes men in more heteronormative relationships feel like, well, toys are just for women, but this is for everyone. And I think you're right. The worst that's gonna happen is you're gonna have an adventure with your partner. You're gonna have a sexual adventure with your partner, and nothing bad ever comes. Well, most of the time, nothing, no, I'm not gonna say ever. There have been some pretty influence, but most of the time bringing adventure into the bedroom is an improvement for people.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I agree. And uh so if that's the worst thing what can happen, that's not so bad, I think.

SPEAKER_00:

Not so bad. Can you tell my listeners where they can find out more about you and the products that you're offering?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, so we can so on the on Luxus Amsterdam, you can find everything about luxusamsterdam.com. You can find everything, but uh also from our uh main website, Kiru, you can uh you can find everything about Luxus. And and even I think if you Google my name, then you can find so a lot.

SPEAKER_00:

Indeed, I did do that. So I did my research. Also, I will be sending out an e-newsletter and a substack uh that goes along with this episode. So, guys, look for that, scroll down below, and I will be giving you links to different products to look for. I will be categorizing them by what different things they can help with, whether it's long distance or emotional disconnect or conversation or in the bedroom, so that you'll have options to try for whatever you're looking for, whatever struggle or whatever adventure you're hoping to go on. So you can check it out there. Thank you so much for joining me today and helping my listeners understand a little bit more about what Smart Sex Tech has to offer them and me.

SPEAKER_01:

My pleasure. Thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_00:

All right, listeners, if you have any questions, comments, you can check this episode out on my YouTube channel if you're just a listener at Talk Sex within it. Now there, I am going to actually be putting pictures up on my video of the different toys. So you can go over there and you can actually see them, which will help you. So make sure you do that. If you are interested in finding out more, you can also drop a comment or question in the comment section below the videos on YouTube. And if you just don't want to go over to YouTube, you can email me at Annette at TalkSexwithanette or check out my website where I will have some of these products. And you can find me there at talksexwithanet.com. Until next time, thank you again for joining me. And to my listeners, I'll see y'all in the locker room. Cheers.